Transcripts from Audio CDs:

Indirect and Direct

What is the most important component of either approach?

Yeah and um, just want to point out in the workshop, the day game workshop, also called the Day Game and the Art of Rapport. That you have specific exercises that you and the other instructors at Pickup 101 teach. To teach guys teach guys how to do both of these methods and they teach both of the energy and the intensity and all that. Right?

Well yeah, we're all about exercises, basically when people come here to San Francisco, um, I don't wanna be dealing with people's understanding or people's conscious mind. You know we give all of the material out before people come here. Because this stuff is all about energy, you know it's all about subtlety, and it's all about reading that. When people come here to San Francisco, I want to be dealing with people's habits and people's body, and their body language. The way they stand, the way they act, the way the read energy, the way they kind of notice who has the higher social value and interaction. I want to be dealing with all those things, I wanna I don't wanna be lecturing. We almost have no lecture in our workshop. So I mean that's kinda like part of the point of this call and the material we send people before the workshop because you know like I said this stuff is all very visceral it's kind of very experiential.

Like like my friend Mark Cunningham said, "you do the drills you get the skills."

Yeah.

So lets get on the next questions, which is ah, I'm sure a lot of people have this question. It seems to be people are one camp or the other. One method or the other. Is it possible to use both direct and indirect to style game at the same time?

Um, let say that everybody should play around with both techniques. Um, you know I think people tend to say "Yeah I do direct game," or "yeah, I do indirect." Uh, I think people tend to exaggerate that because it's really you know it's really unimaginable that anyone is good at this game. For example, lets take direct. Lets take someone who's very good and claims to pretty much use do direct. You know it's just it's just really hard to believe that a guy can have that much success with women and not learn to be playful and not learn to flirt. You know, everybody who's successful does those things. And that's how I think about it. I mean the term direct and indirect is not that helpful. I just look at as "are you being playful and flirting?" or "are you being sincere and intense?" You know that's how you look at it. That's how I look at it. And everybody who does direct game well has learned how to be playful and learn how to flirt. They may not use it the majority of the time but they have it there as a skill set that they can use. And uh you know the other thing is certainly true for people who do indirect. You know if you're going around being playful and you're being flirting, that's kind of like you mechanism of generating attraction, that's great. But at some point, at some point you're gonna seduce a woman. For most women you know at some point you need to be sincere. And certainly if you're going through a seduction, that's a that's a pretty intense interaction. Right? So anybody you know claims to be indirect, I tell you they still have those skills of sincerity and kinda being able to hold an intense energy. I think everybody that's good, whether they talk about it or not. Or think in a way I do or not is pretty much good at both those things. But let me kinda step back and say you know there is kind of a conflict at any one point and time. You know the reality is that kind of playfulness and sincerity are at odds. They can't exist together. You can't be and you can't switch super quick between one and the other. You can't just say something playful and super sincere right afterwards because she'll of course be questioning your sincerity. You know she'll be like "this guy was just joking and now he's and now he's how do I know he's sincere?" So you have to be a little careful about how you transition. You know basically I think everybody has those skills who's really good at this game. I think people who's good have an idea when they can't and can transition. But I can kind of give some guidelines and some things I've kind of noticed. You know I think the tendency if you're doing direct game and you kind of you failed to create that movie moment, you fail to create that intensity. And usually how that looks is you know if I'm watching it from across the room, I'll see the guy approach. And he's approaching really slowly and I see her notice him and I see everybody else notice and I kind of feel the intensity of the moment, and he'll be looking at her. Maybe I can't tell what's being said but I can tell by the way she's looking at her and how she's receiving it. And then as soon as if I can see her laugh or I see her smile or I see him kinda smile and flinch, in my mind it's no longer a direct set anymore. And he's kind of slip from trying to be sincere, trying to be intense. He's kind of slipped into this realm of being playful. And that's okay, if he's good at being playful and he starts flirting with her, he can still generate attraction. But I just want to point out that there's a tendency when you're trying to learn direct game to kind of if you're not able to hold that energy, you don't quite have the intensity or that power, there's kind of that tendency to slip into playfulness. And that's okay, if that happens, you just need to run with it. The other thing I would say that if you're being really playful, really flirtatious, like I said at some point you know at some point you're gonna need to be sincere. And at some point you're gonna need to be intense.